Comments on: Pens Beat Wings: Series Now 2-1

By: Reg Dunlop

Reg Dunlop — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:15:02 +0000

It is not as simple as + this guy and – that guy. Bylsma and his system have made the biggest difference, right now. The Pens young, core players have gained experience and gotten better. Then you throw in some roster changes beyond Kunitz and Guerin and it all adds up to a better Penguins team.

By: Phil Krundle

Phil Krundle — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:19:20 +0000

I just want to know this from Pierre & Dunlop. This is a yes or no question, no long drawn out answers please.

Do you seriously believe that these 20 year old Pittsburgh Penguin players felt nothing when Hossa said he went to Detroit because he thought he had a better chance at winning the cup right after they put everything they had into beating Detroit?

By: Phil Krundle

Phil Krundle — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:11:31 +0000

I’m with Elvis on this and on top of that, as a Penguin fan, I would never ever say detroit was better especially while we are playing them for the Stanley Cup finals, this year or last year even if I thought it, which I don’t. I believe Detroit may have got more lucky bounces, or outplayed us a game or two because our guys were nervous first trip to the cup last year, but the better team? No way.

By: Jesselvis

Jesselvis — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:25:37 +0000

You said that YOUR team Detroit was “by and far” a better team last year. Then they added Hossa. So this would make them way double “by and far” the better team because of the great player we lost and the great player they gained correct? Unless your saying the addition of Kunitz and Guerin and the subtraction of Hossa made the Penguins a better team now, if that is so why would you want Hossa back? So which one is it, you seem to be talking in circles?

By: Reg Dunlop

Reg Dunlop — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:10:44 +0000

I said that Detroit was a better team after they won the Stanley Cup. I pointed out that I did not believe that now. “Did you watch the Stanley Cup last year. Detroit was by and far a better team than the Penguins. I am not saying that now, but before this season and (quite frankly) until Bylsma took over, I would have said that.” How can you argue that? The Pens were outplayed in every aspect of that series. Obviously, I think the Pens are the better team now. In previous posts here I have picked the Pens to win this series. I also was born and raised in Pittsburgh and I am a season ticket holder, but I have the ability to take off my black and gold glasses for a moment and see things for what they are.

By: Ron Malore

Ron Malore — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:05:47 +0000

Sorry about that I hit enter when all I wanted to do was respond to Lucky Pierre’s comment of agreeing with Dunlap.
That’s Dunlap’s remark above.

Hossa didn’t play well in the playoffs with Ottawa – and Dunlap made a remark that Atlanta wasn’t that good, yet he had Savard as his center and Hosssa didn’t do well there either in the playoffs.
Right now (although it isn’t over yet) his playoffs are no great shakes with Detroit.

From my view, first I don’t care how many points Hossa gets as long as we win tonight. Second, behind the win I hope the Czech bastard doesn’t do crabs except for coughing-up the GWG to Crosby. I wouldn’t take anyone back who left for the money. Besides Hossa, that includes Malone and Jagr. Have a good time boys, it was fun but YOUR party’s over around here.
I reconized Hossa has talent but so do a whole lot of other players. Some of you guys talk like abused children – get some self esteem!

By: Ron Malore

Ron Malore — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:56:39 +0000

Even before Datsyuk got hurt, he was not playing well, which may have also affected Hossa’s numbers. Believe me, I am glad he is not producing right now.
In Atlanta, Hossa had a great set up guy in Marc Savard. Unfortunately, that team was not very good overall and had only 4 playoff games.
As you can tell, I am one of those people who would like to see Hossa back in a Penguin uniform, though I know it will never happen.

By: Jesselvis

Jesselvis — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:19:26 +0000

I figured it would be just a matter of time until Hossa’s second wife showed up. I figured you would have left after Krundle beat you to a pulp on this subject.

I’m very happy that neither of you two are decision makers, there wouldn’t be a fan left. Maybe you should go to a game and see how US real Penguin fans with emotions that pay the bills feel about him.

I was born and raised IN Pittsburgh and I am a TRUE Penguin fan. I have a thousand dollars that says neither of you were born and raised in Pittsburgh we already know that your not Penguin fans.

Dunlop said he believes Detroit is the better team. You agree with him all the way. Here is some simple math for ya: You + Dunlop = Detroit Fans.

By: Lucky Pierre

Lucky Pierre — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:58:35 +0000

Hey Reg,
I am with you all the way on the Hossa argument and could not have stated it any better than you did here.

Its funny how sometimes emotions get in the way of facts.

I’m happy that the key decision makers on the Penguins are able to seperate the two and base their decisions on logic and facts.
That is why they will be successful for a long time…becuase they don’t let emotions get in the way of good decision making.

By: Jesselvis

Jesselvis — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:58:16 +0000

You are showing your true colors. The “Detroit was by and far a better team than the Penguins” is your axiom, not a Pittsburgh Penguin fans. In saying that, you are saying how much you believe through logical consistancy that Hossa and the Red Wings are a better team NOW.

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether Hossa disliked playing for Therrien or anything else he had a distaste for. The fact is that he said “When I compared the two teams, I felt like I would have a better chance to win the Cup in Detroit” Something that Hossa, the fans in Detroit and YOU believe.

When you say “everybody is reacting”, yes, every single Pittsburgh Penguin fan is reacting about it because WE were offended. I now understand why you are oblivious to this.

The fact that Hossa played here for only two months makes it all the worse, and if you had a drop of true Pittsburgh emotion in your body, you would be aware of this. Then maybe just for a small second you might believe the truth, the truth that every TRUE Pittsburgh Penguin fan knows. The Pittsburgh Penguins are the better team.

By: Reg Dunlop

Reg Dunlop — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:39:04 +0000

Maybe it is because I am not completely grounded in emotion, but I don’t find the comment that Hossa made that offensive. “When I compared the two teams, I felt like I would have a better chance to win the Cup in Detroit” What is so incredibly outrageous about that. Did you watch the Stanley Cup last year. Detroit was by and far a better team than the Penguins. I am not saying that now, but before this season and (quite frankly) until Bylsma took over, I would have said that. Let’s not forget that the Penguins had all but played themselves out of playoff contention before Therrien was let go. This is not about being a “diehard” fan or not, it is fact. Obviously, things have gone in a drastically different direction since. I for one am tickled that the Pens were able to turn things around. I do look forward to seeing Hossa’s decision backfire on him and from the start i predicted that to be the case.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Hossa was only here for a couple of months. Everybody is reacting to this like they had 10 years invested in supporting this guy. He was here for like two months. He was not here long enough to bond with the other players more than he did not want to play for Therrien. That was a factor in his decision. He did not want to play for Therrien. Maybe things are different if the Pens were under Bylsma’s leadership when Hossa made his decision.
Let’s not forget that, as fun as it can be to argue, Hossa is not coming back here. So whether you would welcome him or reduce yourself to yelling obscenities at the arena, it is a moot point.

By: A Slick

A Slick — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:56:05 +0000

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By: A Slick

A Slick — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:55:20 +0000

Maid Marian is 2 games away from having his plan work to perfection but then he was 2 games away from obtaining his goal last season too. He was 2 games away before last night and is still 2 games away. He’s the one who was 2 games away last season and then took around $450k more to play for the Red Wings because he felt after all those years of never getting a SNIFF at the CUP to jump to the other side for a mere 450 grand (in the great scheme of things).
He went to the highest bidder and then slapped the team that he played on who scratched and clawed it out in the trenches – all for 450 grand. Some might call that a mercenary.
No hard feelings from Crosby as he said… “At the time, it was disappointing, it wasn’t harsh feelings towards him, it was just the fact that he wasn’t going to be with us. If you would have asked me right after the season, I probably would have said 100 percent sure he’s coming back. I thought he really enjoyed it in Pittsburgh. But at the same time, that was a decision that he was free to make. He chose what was best for him. And we all moved on.”

To put it simply, most Pittsburghers don’t go for that shit. Crosby more a Pittsburgher than some of you saying, “I’d take him back.” Hossa said he tried to explain his decision to Crosby in an e-mail. Big Whip.
Get some PRIDE folks….. WHAT’s WITH YINZERS ANYWAY.

Being fair, Hossa was never a franchise fixture here and never requested a trade to Pittsburgh from Atlanta (as far as we know for sure) but being fair he also was a teammate who had his comrades fighting for the same goal and were only two games away. He had to know what Pittsburgh thought of him to trade so much away. Being fair again, he could do what he wanted. Even take a backhanded slap at the team, the franchise, but especially his teammates that got him as close as he is today. He had to know that he leaving created a big obstacle for the Penguins to overcome. Yet, they did and here we are.

Hossa has 6 goals, 2 each in Game 4 of each series. Guess what? His 4th Game 4 is coming and the dude had better produce because otherwise he will be viewed by his new comades as a hired-gun who went caput if he doesn’t put up. Personally, I hope he falls flat on his face.
No matter what his character as a team player showed brightly that he’s someone that almost every Pittsburgher wouldn’t want beside them in threnches and there is no way at all the Penguins would take him back.
The curve is going up with the Penguins the Detroit guys have already peaked.
None of you who want him back would throw an octopussy on the ice if it looks Detroit will take it all—————————-> or would you.

Let’s go Pens!

By: Jesselvis

Jesselvis — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:51:56 +0000

“When I compared the two teams, I felt like I would have a better chance to win the Cup in Detroit”

A TRUE Pittsburgher who is a diehard Pittsburgh Penguins fan would not take Hossa back. A fairweather fan would.

“When I compared the two teams, I felt like I would have a better chance to win the Cup in Detroit”

If they brought him back I would boo him and shout obscenities at him until he leaves town.

“When I compared the two teams, I felt like I would have a better chance to win the Cup in Detroit”

Maybe I should paraphrase that for you because I’m not sure you comprehend what he said: “I looked at Crosby, Malkin and the rest of the Penguins and they are not good enough to win the Cup, even with me, the great Marian Hossa here”

By: PENZRGR8

PENZRGR8 — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:18:42 +0000

@ PenguinsSteve-O

LOL. Go get their social security checks? Go call their Mama?

By: PenguinSteve-O

PenguinSteve-O — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:09:34 +0000

go where? go home? go away? retirement? old folks home? ponderosa? go f themselves? go get a job? go where to get a job? lol?

By: PenguinSteve-O

PenguinSteve-O — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:07:44 +0000

We have to many big contracts to pay out right now. If he wanted to come back for 5-6, I would take him though. He is solid on the puck, shields off defenders with ease, makes the perfect pass all the time, skates hard and fast but he dosnt score all that many goals in the playoffs. I would take him back, just dont want to pay free agency prices.

By: Phil Krundle

Phil Krundle — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:38:55 +0000

Just so it’s known:

I’m 100% opposite of Dunlap, I think Marian (the most overated, overpaid player in the NHL) WHOosa was the best AVAILABLE player at the trade deadline one year, but I would NEVER want to see him back in Pittsburgh EVER, as a matter of fact if they banned him from playing here, that would work for me.

The Penguins made it just as far without him, and in my opinion are playing WAY, WAY better. He’s soft, and without one of the leagues superstars centering him he is a flop. He only has 1/2 the points he had in the playoffs last year on a team he claims is better.

MARIAN HOSSA DOES NOT HAVE 1 EVEN STRENGTH GOAL THIS PLAYOFF SEASON.

1 year of playing well in the playoffs does not make up for 9 years of playing poorly.

Marian WHOosa = Overpaid, OVER RATED, Poor Playoff performer.