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The Time is Perfect for Penguins to Put Fleury Back In Net – Pittsburgh Penguins – PenguinPoop Blog

The Time is Perfect for Penguins to Put Fleury Back In Net

With the big win last night the Penguins have Ottawa on the brink of elimination and have afforded themselves the opportunity to get their #1 goalie back into the fold.

Vokoun and FleuryMany will argue that Tomas Vokoun is the hot hand and the Penguins should leave him in net.  On the other side many will argue that Marc-André Fleury has experience under the pressures of Stanley Cup games and that experience will pay off in the long run.  There is no arguing needed to know at 36 years old, Vokoun’s limited playoff experience has him already standing in uncharted territory.  If Coach Bylsma plays his cards right, the Penguins can get Fleury back into the mix and hopefully have two good goalies down the stretch.

If you ever wanted to show your kids what good sportsmanship is, watch Fleury. He has temporarily lost his job to Vokoun yet you see him high five Vokoun every chance he gets. Team first.  He stands and cheers, you can tell by his face all he wants is for his team to win, no matter how they do it.  This guy is all heart,  all Pittsburgh, all Penguins.

A good laugh can be had reading an ESPN Insider article by Neil Greenberg who suggests that the “Penguins should punt Fleury“.  He goes on to say the Fleury has been milking his Stanley Cup win and has done nothing since.  While Fleury hasn’t had the greatest success in the playoffs since then, the Penguins themselves have been decimated by injuries going into each playoff year since then.  This year is the first they’ve had a semi healthy squad.

A little detective work tells you Greenberg is a Washington Capitals blogger for the Washington Post.  Is he trying to sabotage the Penguins?  Probably.  Is it possible that watching the Capitals all the time he doesn’t understand what a starting goaltender is? Probably.

Everyone’s opinion about Fleury this playoff year has been based on the one bad game against the Islanders.  Face it, the Penguins defense was a good deal responsible for the loss also, that and a bunch of crazy bounces.  Does Fleury need to play better?  Yes, he does.  Vokoun himself fluttered a little last night, a few that rang off the post could easily have made the game a lot closer.

One thing is for sure, the Penguins do not want to be looking for goaltenders every year like Philadelphia or Washington,  the time is perfect to get Marc-André Fleury back in net.

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78 Comments

  1. Brian TD's Gravatar Brian TD
    May 28, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Wow. Playoffs brings out the loons. One of the best things about this blog has been the intelligent debates between commenters that almost never result in childish name calling.

    Been reading here for years. Love all the insite. Disagree with you here. Playoffs is not a time to give backups playing time. Since the job is now Vokouns to lose, Fleury is essentially the backup. He can win it back if it is needed. Nothing against Fleury, but hopefully he’s not needed.

    Many great goaltenders have fallen upon bad times just to make huge comebacks. Barrasso was written off by Buffalo. Roy was written off by Montreal. It will be interesting to see what happens with MAF.

  2. Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
    May 27, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    You slam me for commenting under Anonymous when you yourself logged in as annonymous you pussy. Why not login and comment?

  3. Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
    May 27, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    You’ve got to be kidding me. You must be writing this article based on your years of experience as an NHL GM, head coach, scout, or even equipment lackey. You probably would have sat James Neal after game 3 because he was on “such a cold streak”. Idiot.

    I hear the Altoona Curve are looking for a new blogger, you should go break their roster down too.

  4. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Delusional article.

  5. pen's 4ever's Gravatar pen's 4ever
    May 25, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    I think MAF isn’t an elite goalie anymore, Ray needs to find him a new home..

    MAF to Vancouver for Roberto Luongo

    • Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
      May 27, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

      In your wet dreams skippy

  6. PaulG's Gravatar PaulG
    May 25, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Hot goaltenders Win Stanley Cups! And at 6 wins and 1 loss, that’s Hot!

  7. 3firstlines-NoBuy's Gravatar 3firstlines-NoBuy
    May 24, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Might as well put Fleury in nets. The guy couldn’t stop a beach ball wearing a 10×10 sheet of ply-wood

  8. PensUB's Gravatar PensUB
    May 24, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t you just write something that said Bylsma needs to go for the kill? I understand your idea it would be great to have Fleury get a game in just in case. It would be better to finish off the Senators tonight. Send Fleury to WBS for rehab or whatever to get ice time. As of this afternoon they’re saying Vokoun is in net tonight. Go Pens!

  9. Mike's Gravatar Mike
    May 24, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    As a lifelong Penguins fan and goaltender….I have to vehemently disagree.

    As many have pointed out, the numbers don’t lie with Fleury. Even during the cup win he was mediocre, and since then he has been decidedly below average.

    Vokoun gives up some rebounds, yes…..but Fleury gives up some bad ones too. Fleury’s talent is his athleticism, but it isn’t enough to make up for his poor fundamentals/positioning when it’s playoff time and people are crashing the net. Vokoun’s talent is that he doesn’t lose his mind like Fleury does.

    Watch that last goal Fleury gave up. When I watched live, and saw him flail behind him with his glove to find the post before trying to set up for the shot(I’ve been there, but I’m not in the NHL…) I knew it was going in. Stick a fork in him and use the amnesty clause, he’s done.

    • Rick Buker's Gravatar Rick Buker
      May 24, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

      I agree, Mike.

      Up ‘til now, I’ve been a Fleury supporter. But watching him flail around in Games 2-4 of the Islander series (which was just a continuation of his play against the Flyers last year), misplaying pucks off the end boards, knocking pucks into his own net … honestly, it was like watching a (bad) pee-wee goalie. After he gave up the final goal in Game 4 on that pathetic pokecheck attempt, I turned to a friend and said, “I’m done with Fleury.” And I am.

      He’s exactly what he appears to be; a very good regular-season goalie (thanks to his natural gifts) whose style and approach don’t hold up in the playoffs. Unless he makes a concerted effort to shore up his weaknesses, I think the Penguins need to look elsewhere down the road.

    • PAPOSSE's Gravatar PAPOSSE
      May 25, 2013 at 8:29 am | Permalink

      There is exactly NO reason to start MAF – I have said the same thing many many times over – his athletic ability has allowed him to make average plays look like highlight reel material because fundamentally he is not as sound as he should be. He chokes in big games and last years playoff performance just qualifies what he’s done so far this year. He’s a great kid with a tremendous heart and personality – just doesn’t translate to wins. Stick with TV – he’s doing quite well and looks very calm and confident – something MAF hasn’t been in the playoffs with consistency. He should be well rested, particularly if the Rangers extend the series by even another game. And our offensive output is just scary….GO PENS!

  10. PittGar's Gravatar PittGar
    May 24, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Hey Phil – you’re about as smart as Pig Girl and Buffalo Breath

  11. Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
    May 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Another worthless article

  12. rovinrosie's Gravatar rovinrosie
    May 24, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I agree. I like the idea that Fleury could use some playoff time, when the defense has a good chance of showing up. Granted, his play could have been better, but our defense was awful. He has a history of coming back strong after a poor showing. At 36, Vokoun could probably profit from a rest. If Fleury does well, then we’ll have two goalies with confident mindsets going into the next series.

  13. Portland Rick's Gravatar Portland Rick
    May 24, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Keep Volky in until he looks shaky and gives up a few goals … on one hand, it’s only one game and Flower comes back in … on the other hand, if Volky looks good, then it’s all good. Do not fix it if it ain’t broke!

  14. MATT's Gravatar MATT
    May 24, 2013 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Are you Crazy?
    Does the line “It ain’t over til it’s over” ring a bell.
    Win now and this like any other job is about results not being a nice guy.

    I’m not even sure Fluery should be the guy next year. Lot of money spent
    on a guy that folds when you need him.

  15. May 24, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Should I pile on, Phil? Damn, my torch won’t light and I can’t find my pitchfork.

  16. RINIJG's Gravatar RINIJG
    May 24, 2013 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Tough decision to make. Vokoun is a seasoned veteran and is playing well. I say you ride him out this series. Love Fleury and I would start him next series, after we beat the Senators tonight. : )!

  17. May 23, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Go pens go ,win the next round and send boston home .

  18. May 23, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Go pens go ,win the next round and send boston home .

  19. May 23, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    I agree. I love the flower…

  20. May 23, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    I agree. I love the flower…

    • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
      May 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

      OmG lOl hez soooooooo cute!!/$-& !

  21. 55 on Point's Gravatar 55 on Point
    May 23, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    I completely disagree. Vokoun is already in the Sen’s heads. Why dismiss that edge? This isn’t mid season with 40 games left to make up lost ground. You win now or you go home. “Dance with the guy what brung ya!”

  22. Rick Buker's Gravatar Rick Buker
    May 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    With all due respect, Phil, I couldn’t disagree more. And I’ve always defended Fleury. Until now.

    Fleury’s erratic play in recent postseasons (3.15 goals against; .881 save pct since ’09) isn’t a mirage. It’s who he’s become as a goaltender. His fundamentals are still lousy after all these years, a by-product of relying too much on his extraordinary reflexes. He can’t control a rebound—or slow the pace of a game—to save his life. And, at least in the postseason, he’s become as mentally soft as pudding.

    While Flower’s athleticism allows him to conceal these sins during the regular season, the playoffs are an entirely different animal. Recall, if you will, how the Penguins have looked in their own end the last couple of postseasons with Fleury in goal. A constant fire drill comes to mind. Now compare that with how the Pens have looked with Vokoun in goal. They’re been much less chaotic, much more calm and organized. That’s a direct result of Vokoun’s steadying influence.

    These playoffs aren’t about making Fleury feel good or soothing his psyche. It’s about winning a Cup. At least for now, the Pens have a far better chance of achieving that goal with Vokoun between the pipes.

  23. May 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

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  24. May 23, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

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  25. Patch's Gravatar Patch
    May 23, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    In our big win streak we used both goalies. Why not use both here?

  26. Jim's Gravatar Jim
    May 23, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Rest Fleury for the next opponent.

  27. May 23, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Rest Fleury for the next opponent.

  28. Mateusz's Gravatar Mateusz
    May 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Forget about it, Vokoun is playing way too good right now. You never bench a hot goalie.

  29. May 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Forget about it, Vokoun is playing way too good right now. You never bench a hot goalie.

  30. May 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    are u sick?keep Tomas while winning!

  31. May 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    are u sick?keep Tomas while winning!

  32. Drew's Gravatar Drew
    May 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Not until V stops performing well. I love Flower, but he allowed some pretty weak goals in the NYI series.

  33. May 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Not until V stops performing well. I love Flower, but he allowed some pretty weak goals in the NYI series.

  34. May 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Sit the goalie who has us playing hockey and not golfing??? You are an idiot.

  35. May 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Sit the goalie who has us playing hockey and not golfing??? You are an idiot.

  36. May 23, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Let me get this straight……..

    You want to sit Vokoun with his 1.82 GAA and .942 Save Percentage for Fleury with his 3.40 GAA and .891 Save Percentage?

    Speechless.

  37. Sandi's Gravatar Sandi
    May 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Ride the hot goalie

  38. May 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Ride the hot goalie

  39. Steve's Gravatar Steve
    May 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    love the Flower….nicest kid ever, but a 5-1 goalie who should be 6-0 making the key saves when they matter does not sit….

  40. May 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    love the Flower….nicest kid ever, but a 5-1 goalie who should be 6-0 making the key saves when they matter does not sit….

  41. Michelle's Gravatar Michelle
    May 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    If you think Vokoun deserves to be sat you shouldn’t be a hockey fan.

  42. May 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    If you think Vokoun deserves to be sat you shouldn’t be a hockey fan.

    • Patch's Gravatar Patch
      May 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

      He didn’t say that he deserves to be sat. All he is saying that it’s better to have 2 goalies ready to go intead of just one. That’s what we did in 92 and got a cup for it.

  43. Layton's Gravatar Layton
    May 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    This isn’t about making sure someone’s feelings dont get hurt. It’s about putting your team in the best position to win. And right now, Vokoun puts them in that position more than Fleury.

  44. May 23, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    This isn’t about making sure someone’s feelings dont get hurt. It’s about putting your team in the best position to win. And right now, Vokoun puts them in that position more than Fleury.

  45. May 23, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    They need to get him back in the net . He got benched for the whole teams melt down . I SAY PUT FLOWER BACK IN NET!!! The thing is the team agrees !!

  46. May 23, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    They need to get him back in the net . He got benched for the whole teams melt down . I SAY PUT FLOWER BACK IN NET!!! The thing is the team agrees !!

    • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
      May 27, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

      Oh really Annette? The team agrees? You must have asked them at dinner last night. With all your insider access you should totes start a sports blog where you vote for who the cutest goalie is!! I would Ssoooooooo vote for Flower, because I too watch the games to see all the cute guys!! Who cares if they win when it’s such a great experience just to go to the games, am I right???

  47. May 23, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I love Fleury but you ride Vokoun as long as he is playing good.

  48. May 23, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I love Fleury but you ride Vokoun as long as he is playing good.

  49. Mandy's Gravatar Mandy
    May 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I agree!!!

  50. May 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I agree!!!

    • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
      May 27, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

      Hey Mandy, you should totes head over to Annette’s new blog, hotgoalie.com. Fleury starts over there EVERY night ;)

  51. Debby's Gravatar Debby
    May 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I love the Flower, and I miss him in the net.

  52. May 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I love the Flower, and I miss him in the net.

    • Anonymous's Gravatar Anonymous
      May 23, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

      Me too! He should start the next series. Remember Vokoun is our back-up goalie. He’s awesome, but Fleury got us to the playoffs in style and he’s a better goalie. When Crosby or Malkin has a bad night, we don’t bench him. He earned a chance to play. Fleury is too old (lol) or worn out he’s a product of sports superstition and paranoia. We are lucky to have Vokoun to back him up.

      • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
        May 27, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

        You must have signed in under “anonymous” because even you knew how stupid and ill-informed this comment is. What is it that you look at when you watch a game? Do you just sit there and wait for the big red light go off, or do you actually watch what’s going on?

    • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
      May 27, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

      You miss wasting 3 years of cup contention because Fleury acts like a total ass in net? Call Sid Crosby, Malkin et al and ask them if they would like those 3 years in their prime back.

  53. May 23, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO! For the love of all that is good, no!

  54. May 23, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO! For the love of all that is good, no!

    • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
      May 27, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

      Finally, an intelligent response to this trash article. What is it called when an entire article is actually the troll?

  55. Bill's Gravatar Bill
    May 23, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Flower is a class act, but no way in hell he should see the ice again unless Vokoun has a meltdown

  56. May 23, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Flower is a class act, but no way in hell he should see the ice again unless Vokoun has a meltdown

  57. Melanie's Gravatar Melanie
    May 23, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Love the comments about Fleury. He is class act for sure!!

  58. May 23, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Love the comments about Fleury. He is class act for sure!!

    • Kangaroots11's Gravatar Kangaroots11
      May 27, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

      Why are all the Fleury supporters on here female? Do you think we should start whoever is cuter? OmG who will we pick!!!?!?!? Lulz


            

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